I have been talking to Grace and she had directed me to some people. She does not want to ref saber this year so I will not pursue that. I already know Matt as well and we will of course be wanting him to be there. Do you think you could just put the word out that we are looking for refs? I know we are going to want quite a few so that we can have SWIFA run quickly, especially since we will have a large enough space to run quite a few strips at one time.